Are there any straight Republicans?

[leizy]

Good Lord, yet another Republican Congressman, this time a Senator from Washington, caught soliciting sex in a mensroom. Apparently, he plead guilty hoping to make it go away, but now says he was innocent and should have had a lawyer.

I'm a lifelong Democrat, and way liberal. But maybe, in order to have had more opportunities for hot gay sex, I should have been Republican. Maybe I should hang out in the mensroom at the next republican convention...

cheers.
david

[HighEnergy]

When I was married to a Republican, I used to say we were all used to getting screwed by them, only some of us get to enjoy it once in a while. :tong:

[DiamondDog]

David,
Gay sex/sex with men is EASY to find, if you're not very picky about men like I am.

Sex with anyone is EASY to find as long as you aren't picky about it or the people you're having it with.

It can be hard finding men who are boyfriend/husband material though!

But men who want boyfriends/husbands are out there and I can easily find them as I want this type of relationship that starts with a friendship that's not the "OK let's have sex see ya later bye bye! Have a nice life!" type of sex that lots of people of all genders are into.

I've flat out told men who were too pushy for sex or who had other red flags about them, sorry but this isn't going to work out goodbye.

I said that to a gay man who I met who I was thinking about doing SM (flogging/paddling/spanking) to and he wanted ME to do W/S (water sports, piss play) with him in a public bathroom of a Starbucks and I just told him sorry I'm not into that in public, things aren't going to work out between us goodbye.

I can't tell you how many gay porns I've seen and gay erotic stories I've read that take place in public men's bathrooms and men's locker rooms!

I have some friends who have had sex in public bathrooms and men's locker rooms and I don't judge them for it and call them a pervert or anything like that.

I even know heterosexual guys who have had sex with women in public bathrooms and in gym locker rooms.

Hasn't anyone here ever jacked off alone in a public bathroom or a men's locker room before when you're horny, hard, and having homoerotic hormonal hairy horndog hearts hurling with thoughts towards a hunk's hairy hungry hole??

I know I can't be the ONLY one that's done this! ;)

Anyway he should have just kept sex in a public bathroom as a FANTASY or met someone online and set up a scene where they did this sort of thing at a private bathroom or a glory hole made in someone's house as juding by hook up ads I've seen on this site and other sites people are into this.

Sex in public bathrooms and locker rooms with strangers doesn't appeal to me but I can see how it'd be a hot fantasy and why lots of gay/bi men do have fantasies about public bathrooms and men's gym locker rooms and why sex between men does go on in them.

[bookworm]

Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho) proves once again that those who preach and vote against gays are the most likely to be the best and brightest hypocrites our proud nation has to offer.

That said, I encourage all aspiring authors on this site to seize this opportunity and publish helpful guides navigating these tricky (pun intended) waters. Some suggested titles--


-Congressional Sex For Dummies
-The Best Bathrooms, Parking Lots, and Rest Stops in America
-100 Elected Officials to Blow Before You Die
-I'm Okay, You're Seriously Not Okay
-I Was a Teenage Page


For the visually-minded, might I suggest a VH-1 reality show entitled "House of Whores"...

Twelve male contestants are given a series of challenges in which they try to coax a member (pun again intended) of Congress to indulge in various sexual acts. At the end of each show, the unseen politician eliminates one of them for the worst performace (Note: I know this is impossible, since politicians will do anything and like it, but play along). At the end of the series, the last man standing (so to speak) gets to meet the politician for the first time face-to-face (snort!), and then we're told this never happened because this is none of our business unless we want a visit from Homeland Security.

Get to it, people!

[12voltman59]

In terms of the effects these people have or would like to have in trying to ban any sex they think is bad on the greater society--their hypocrisy does burn me---but you almost have to feel sorry for them--they must such a high degree of self-loathing hatred--and perhaps they think that if homosexuality could be somehow kept from happening --it would make them stop having "those sick and perverted desires!" and prevent it from ever really happening.

[Danielle B]

In terms of the effects these people have or would like to have in trying to ban any sex they think is bad on the greater society--their hypocrisy does burn me---but you almost have to feel sorry for them--they must such a high degree of self-loathing hatred--and perhaps they think that if homosexuality could be somehow kept from happening --it would make them stop having "those sick and perverted desires!" and prevent it from ever really happening.

And those are precisely the kinds of people we DON'T need making laws in this country... let these people work out their emotional junk on a therapist's couch, not in the Capitol building...

[mn freak]

And those are precisely the kinds of people we DON'T need making laws in this country... let these people work out their emotional junk on a therapist's couch, not in the Capitol building...


AMEN!!!!!

[DiamondDog]

He should hang out with George Michael and they can go for late night walks in the park together. (-;

[elian]

Good Lord, yet another Republican Congressman, this time a Senator from Washington, caught soliciting sex in a mensroom. Apparently, he plead guilty hoping to make it go away, but now says he was innocent and should have had a lawyer.

I'm a lifelong Democrat, and way liberal. But maybe, in order to have had more opportunities for hot gay sex, I should have been Republican. Maybe I should hang out in the mensroom at the next republican convention...

cheers.
david

In other news.. :)

..a suspicious white substance was found near government buildings in Washington DC today. Fearing a possible Anthrax contamination Capitol Police evacuated three city blocks. However, the precautions proved unnecessary, upon closer examination federal agents determined that a wayward politician had accidentally dropped their vial of powder cocaine in the lobby.

(wicked evil grin)

[wanderingrichard]

Good Lord, yet another Republican Congressman, this time a Senator from Washington, caught soliciting sex in a mensroom. Apparently, he plead guilty hoping to make it go away, but now says he was innocent and should have had a lawyer.

I'm a lifelong Democrat, and way liberal. But maybe, in order to have had more opportunities for hot gay sex, I should have been Republican. Maybe I should hang out in the mensroom at the next republican convention...

cheers.
david

so, following that line, does that make me eligible to be a hot , BI independant?? [ btw, im 2 of 3]

sitting here reading this, and thinking back over the last few years of political sex scandals [now, THERE is an OXYMORON] i think we can safely say that both recidivistic parties have had their share.. it just seems to be a matter of which one is in vogue at the time, as to how many of the oppostion get "caught".

watched MSM this evening after work and this particular story was on. first reaction was, so friggin what?? the guy might have just been antsy about something and bumped into this other person.. and then, before the pundits got interviewed, i had this thought: what if this guy was actually a victim for real?? what if this was all a cheap cheesey set up to discredit him?? if you read the statements that got flashed around , it sure seems like a set piece script that was cut/copied/pasted by someone reading it for the 1st time..maybe this congresscritter did screw up by pleading guilty. maybe all he really is guilty of is not using common sense and competent legal aid..

[LoveLion]

I think its kind of sad really. That a man who has obviously has homosexual urges and follows them has to do so in such secrecy because of his Job. If he were to come out as an open homosexual he would probably lose his position and maybe even kicked out of the party. So he has to go around in secret sleeping with men while keeping up the image that he is against homosexuality. its like a forced hypocrisy. Its sad that this one aspect of him could destory his carrere because of intolerance. Its also sad that because of one issue that he might feel different about then his party, he cant fit into a political party that shares all the same views as him save one.

[leizy]

Apparently this guy has a history of concerns and reported gay behavior (like wearing a feather boa - just kidding). this isn't new for him, he was implicated in a page - sex scandal back in the 80's, others have reported him hitting on them, and at least a few folks in Idaho have come forward to say they had sex with him in bathrooms there. So - as usual, at the same time he's calling Clinton a "nasty, naughty, naughty bad boy" (direct quote, look it up) he was sucking or getting sucked off in bathrooms.

Now - I find his statements interesting - he's saying that he was so stressed about the press in Idaho alleging that he was gay (and clearly he's bi, not gay) that this "happened." So - is anonymous gay bathroom sex a stress-reliever for him? Sorry, I feel sympathetic for folks that struggle so with their bi feelings and lead secret lives, but these folks just make me sick with their hypocrisy.

I wish I could go to the Republican convention and post "safe sex" guidelines in the bathroom, and give out condoms to everyone, just to make a fucking point...

david

[gb11vt18]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070829/ap_on_re_us/craig_gay_reaction

[wanderingrichard]

am now wondering if this is supposed to be happening as a cover for a slow newsday that blew out of proportion, or if it's a campaign to get rid of the guy... saw on web news this evening that his party has basically asked him to quit/resign, and also removed him from other comittee duties..

maybe we should be shaking the trees , closets, rumor mills and old news files on all the RUNNING candidates for public office?? eliminate those with even a slight hint of criminality or abherrent behavior?? let's see, that would put, kennedy, clinton, lieberman, rangel, sharpton, gosh, the list is endless, all out of the running , wouldn't it?? trust me , i know there are 100's if not 1000's more i missed that fit into this glasnosti perception.

would that leave anyone sitting in office or contemplating office who hasnt had some kind of trouble? for damn sure, the ones sitting in those positions now, on all sides of the fence/house/etc. are making enough noise about this that it makes you wonder if they do protest too loudly themselves??

[biChris_m]

Now - I find his statements interesting - he's saying that he was so stressed about the press in Idaho alleging that he was gay (and clearly he's bi, not gay) that this "happened."


That's what I don't understand. If he's been so stressed out that the Idaho press have been running articles about his sexual orientation, then why would he plead "guilty" to the charges (even if those were lesser charges). Arrests records are public records (aren't they?) so they will never go away and someone will always find them.

[AdamKadmon43]

maybe we should be shaking the trees , closets, rumor mills and old news files on all the RUNNING candidates for public office?? eliminate those with even a slight hint of criminality or abherrent behavior??
I suspect that you might be sort of missing the point..... the point being that If you are going to Talk the Talk, then you need to Walk the Walk... And if you can not do that, then you need to resign... And if you can not do that then you need to be exposed.

The guy has, in recent times, (like a great number of other conservative, family value Republicans) waged a campaign against gay and lesbian and bisexual rights. I won't belabour all that... you can look up his Congressional record.

And I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe it was a set-up made in an attempt to dis-credit him. Politics can get viscious. But I get this real gut level feeling that in the very near future, he is going admit his "mistake", and find Jesus, and get some thearapy to "cure" himself like most of the rest of them do when they get caught. And proceed to continue bashing all of the rest of us who simply are content to stand up and admit to being what we are.

I hope that I am wrong.

Adam

[shameless agitator]

Okay, he's not hiding his orientation because he has to in order to have his job. He hides it because like so many other neo-cons he's sold his soul to the "religious right" and wants to keep them happy. Believe it or not there are openly gay and bi republicans in congress. How anybody can belong to a party that says they have no right to exist is beyond me, but they are out there. No this putz is just a giant hypocrite pandering to the evangelicals because they have lots of clout & money.
I think its kind of sad really. That a man who has obviously has homosexual urges and follows them has to do so in such secrecy because of his Job. If he were to come out as an open homosexual he would probably lose his position and maybe even kicked out of the party. So he has to go around in secret sleeping with men while keeping up the image that he is against homosexuality. its like a forced hypocrisy. Its sad that this one aspect of him could destory his carrere because of intolerance. Its also sad that because of one issue that he might feel different about then his party, he cant fit into a political party that shares all the same views as him save one.

[scubaman]

I was making my morning CNN website run yesterday and saw the headline, Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho), I AM NOT GAY It should have read, I AM NOT GAY, I AM BISEXUAL! In the public eye and trolling for some cock in the mensroom in an airport where there are many full bladders getting off planes and emptying prior to getting on planes, come on. If a person is that horny, sit in the stall and whack off and dream of your last m2m encounter.

[coyotedude]

Good Lord, yet another Republican Congressman, this time a Senator from Washington, caught soliciting sex in a mensroom. Apparently, he plead guilty hoping to make it go away, but now says he was innocent and should have had a lawyer.

I'm a lifelong Democrat, and way liberal. But maybe, in order to have had more opportunities for hot gay sex, I should have been Republican. Maybe I should hang out in the mensroom at the next republican convention...

cheers.
david

Dude - one quick clarification: he's from Idaho, not Washington. Washington has two female senators, both Democrats!

Peace

[vices2habits]

[FONT Off] ...watched MSM this evening after work and this particular story was on. first reaction was, so friggin what?? the guy might have just been antsy about something and bumped into this other person.. and then, before the pundits got interviewed, i had this thought: what if this guy was actually a victim for real?? what if this was all a cheap cheesey set up to discredit him?? if you read the statements that got flashed around , it sure seems like a set piece script that was cut/copied/pasted by someone reading it for the 1st time..maybe this congresscritter did screw up by pleading guilty. maybe all he really is guilty of is not using common sense and competent legal aid..

"MSM," huh? Were ya watching Fox Noise/Fixed News?

Fact: The Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport Police have been running a months-long sting operation in that airport, and report over 40 men having been busted in similar fashion.

To put a sharp point on it, this was not a "cheap cheesey set up to discredit" Larry Craig.


Fact: Larry Craig has a well-documented history of such incidents going back at least into the early 1980's, and there is some evidence that may document the behavior as dating back into the late 1960's.


Fact: Larry Craig did not just bump into someone. As the police report makes clear, Larry Craig engaged in a well-known and well-understood pattern of behavior which was recognized for what it was by a trained undercover officer.

Does anyone really accept for a minute that a person as sophisticated as a United States Senator would plead guilty -- even to a misdemeanor -- and pay a $1000 fine plus $575 in court fees (and accept a year on probation) if all he truly did was innocently bump into someone? Puh-leeze!

And does anyone really believe that a police officer would manufacture a whole-cloth story like this if all there was to it was an innocent "bump" in an airport bathroom (especially after knowing that he was a senator)? And if it was manufactured out of whole cloth, wouldn't it be one hell of a coincidence to have picked a guy with a documented history of such behavior?

Fact: As per the Minnesota Rules of Criminal Procedure, Larry Craig had to state -- in open court -- the following (among other things):

1,) that he believed that what he did does constitute the offense to which he is pleading guilty;

2.) then, under questioning by the Court, testify to sufficient facts to substantiate -- and convince the Court -- that there is a factual basis for all elements of the offense to which he is pleading guilty.

The comment quoted above makes it sound like maybe Larry Craig just checked the wrong box on a form or something.

The real fact of the matter is that Larry Craig is now contradicting what he told the Court, and if he had been sworn and under oath, Larry Craig committed perjury in addition to the lewd acts he was initially charged with.

Fact: Larry Craig is a legislator... a highly sophisticated adult who spends his days with lawyers and other highly-sophisticated and educated people. He clearly understood the proceeding AND there is evidence that he had conferred with counsel before entering the plea (so says the spokesperson for the office of the prosecutor).

[DiamondDog]

I was making my morning CNN website run yesterday and saw the headline, Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho), I AM NOT GAY It should have read, I AM NOT GAY, I AM BISEXUAL!

Fuck that.
I don't want him OR McGreevey on our side!

[Azrael]

He should hang out with George Michael and they can go for late night walks in the park together. (-;

God, dude. I would pay money to get drunk and watch u do stand-up :bigrin:

[jem_is_bi]

Fuck that.
I don't want him OR McGreevey on our side!

I wonder if he is already a member of this site?
If he was a member of this site, he was probably just confused after a long flight, did not have his glasses on and thought the sign on the door said chat-room rather than bathroom.

JEM

[wanderingrichard]

I suspect that you might be sort of missing the point..... the point being that If you are going to Talk the Talk, then you need to Walk the Walk... And if you can not do that, then you need to resign... And if you can not do that then you need to be exposed.

The guy has, in recent times, (like a great number of other conservative, family value Republicans) waged a campaign against gay and lesbian and bisexual rights. I won't belabour all that... you can look up his Congressional record.

And I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe it was a set-up made in an attempt to dis-credit him. Politics can get viscious. But I get this real gut level feeling that in the very near future, he is going admit his "mistake", and find Jesus, and get some thearapy to "cure" himself like most of the rest of them do when they get caught. And proceed to continue bashing all of the rest of us who simply are content to stand up and admit to being what we are.

I hope that I am wrong.

Adam


here is my reply of disgust with the whole matter;

nope, wasn't missing the point. but you , my still wet behind the ears youngster, missed the cynicism and biting sarcasm embedded within my post.
frankly, i couldn't care less if one more U.S. politician went away.. they have all proved themselves distrustful to one degree or another over the years. especially the last 6 years. does anyone besides myself recall the lot of them standing on the steps of the capitol signing "god bless america??" or their almost unanamous [ sp.] vote to actually back up mr. bush and go to war?? and now try to pull the rug out from under the ones they sent in their steads to actually fix their mistakes? [ btw, i'm all for sending our politicians to war, making them actually fix their own mistakes in diplomacy and policy. under the same conditions, with the same equipment, that our military has to use right now. maybe they'd think more deeply about how to proceed in the world]or the fact that they wiped their collective asses on our constitution and our civil and human rights under the guise of a thing called the "patriot act"?? which is neither patriotic, or a valid act of law, since the supreme court of the U.S. has in the past ruled that now law should be kept secret from the public, as it is unenforceable when done so. now they try to distance themselves from the acts of their past?? oh puhleeze!

the same standard should apply here too. remember, "you cannot dress like a whore and expect to be treated as a lady". either he is or he isn't. you can't bash or denigrate someone if you too are doing the same things and are in denial.

and he wouldn't be the 1st to ever try that stunt of seeking a "cure" as a way of redeeming himself. seriously doubtful he will get away with it tho, from what i know of idahoans, they won't stand for it.

one last thing; don't even friggin bother trying to quote in defense. i simply have had enough of this crap.
Rich

[wanderingrichard]

"MSM," huh? Were ya watching Fox Noise/Fixed News?

Fact: The Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport Police have been running a months-long sting operation in that airport, and report over 40 men having been busted in similar fashion.

To put a sharp point on it, this was not a "cheap cheesey set up to discredit" Larry Craig.


Fact: Larry Craig has a well-documented history of such incidents going back at least into the early 1980's, and there is some evidence that may document the behavior as dating back into the late 1960's.


Fact: Larry Craig did not just bump into someone. As the police report makes clear, Larry Craig engaged in a well-known and well-understood pattern of behavior which was recognized for what it was by a trained undercover officer.

Does anyone really accept for a minute that a person as sophisticated as a United States Senator would plead guilty -- even to a misdemeanor -- and pay a $1000 fine plus $575 in court fees (and accept a year on probation) if all he truly did was innocently bump into someone? Puh-leeze!

And does anyone really believe that a police officer would manufacture a whole-cloth story like this if all there was to it was an innocent "bump" in an airport bathroom (especially after knowing that he was a senator)? And if it was manufactured out of whole cloth, wouldn't it be one hell of a coincidence to have picked a guy with a documented history of such behavior?

Fact: As per the Minnesota Rules of Criminal Procedure, Larry Craig had to state -- in open court -- the following (among other things):

1,) that he believed that what he did does constitute the offense to which he is pleading guilty;

2.) then, under questioning by the Court, testify to sufficient facts to substantiate -- and convince the Court -- that there is a factual basis for all elements of the offense to which he is pleading guilty.

The comment quoted above makes it sound like maybe Larry Craig just checked the wrong box on a form or something.

The real fact of the matter is that Larry Craig is now contradicting what he told the Court, and if he had been sworn and under oath, Larry Craig committed perjury in addition to the lewd acts he was initially charged with.

Fact: Larry Craig is a legislator... a highly sophisticated adult who spends his days with lawyers and other highly-sophisticated and educated people. He clearly understood the proceeding AND there is evidence that he had conferred with counsel before entering the plea (so says the spokesperson for the office of the prosecutor).

please see reply to adam.. we as a nation shouldn't even be wasting our valuable time on this sleeze, but rather use it to actually right our own internal social and economic wrongs before we go out and attempt to be the worlds arbiter of morality.

[biwords]

I think its kind of sad really. That a man who has obviously has homosexual urges and follows them has to do so in such secrecy because of his Job. If he were to come out as an open homosexual he would probably lose his position and maybe even kicked out of the party. So he has to go around in secret sleeping with men while keeping up the image that he is against homosexuality. its like a forced hypocrisy. Its sad that this one aspect of him could destory his carrere because of intolerance. Its also sad that because of one issue that he might feel different about then his party, he cant fit into a political party that shares all the same views as him save one.

Whether his career would be destroyed or not, I am, as always, impressed by the compassion you're willing to extend -- even, as in this case, to someone whom I wouldn't regard as obviously deserving of it. Well done!!

[AdamKadmon43]

....one last thing; don't even friggin bother trying to quote in defense. i simply have had enough of this crap.
Rich


Sorry.... No attempts to quote in defense.... I totally and rather stupidly mis-read your original intent on this one, and I apologize.

Adam

[smokey]

The big difference between Democrats and Republicans is that at least the Democrats try and kiss you first before telling you to bend over; :bigrin:
with Republicans it more like date rape. :eek:

In all seriousness what better party for a self-loathing closet case to join but the one that has all but instituitionalized homophobia?

If confronted they will tell you its about the economic policies, or the some such excuse, but every gay man I have ever known who was an avowed Republican had an unhealthy streak of self hatred hiding inside him someplace.

[vices2habits]

... does anyone besides myself recall ... their almost unanamous [ sp.] vote to actually back up mr. bush and go to war??

Almost unanimous??? 61% of Democrats in the House opposed the resoulution authorizing the use of force.

The vote was 296-133 in the House (77-23 in the Senate)... Yea's were 215 Republicans with 81 Democrats. Nea's were 126 Democrats with 6 Republicans and one Independent (Sanders of Vermont).

Do the math: Of 207 Democrats, 126 voted No. That's 61% of House Democrats who opposed the resolution authorizing use of military force in Iraq (42% of Senate Democrats opposed).

Republicans, however -- at 215 Yea's to only 6 Nea's -- could be referred to as "almost unanimous."

[biwords]

Thoreau really was a glib prick sometimes, don't you think? :)

Dan Savage is very funny on Craig: http://thestranger.com/savage

(you have to scroll down a bit as it's the second item in his column)