Some totally kick ass television…

[12voltyV2.0]

If you like your television programing on "the dark side"--and you have not yet seen HBO's new series, "True Detective"--then you have to find a way to see that show somehow.

Here is one clip from a past episode that features Matthew McConaughey playing one of the characters-----channeling some really deep, dark and disturbing stuff http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOGoX1B6_2k

Tonight's episode--the fourth in the series---that is said to be only eight shows total----had to be among the most intense television scenes EVER to air on television.

As good as shows like "The Wire" "Breaking Bad" "The Shield" "The Sopranos" and other shows of this sort were----this show blows them all away in my book.

A good video to provide an overview of the show and what its about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoYq2bDaGt4

It is definitely television worth watching---unless you are "faint of heart" and only like shows that are lighter in tone and content.

[dagasgramarye]

I agree volty. An amazing show. The Rust character played by Mcconaughey possesses a uniquely pessimistic, but believably rational viewpoint of the world around him. Excellent performances and all-around great show. If you like crime dramas, this is where it's at. I'm expecting them an easy Emmy this year.

[Yoyome100]

Enjoying True Detective too!

[12voltyV2.0]

Saruzzo--in regards to the Sopranos and Breaking Bad--I was not referring to content of the show being realistic and things such as that----they are works of fiction--but what I was referring to was the nature of the production of those shows in regards to things like character development, style and manner of telling the story, camera work and things of that sort. In those areas---they and the other shows are all "groundbreaking" and certainly significant and important in terms of their impact on the way that fictional stories on "television" are done and their impact that leads to new shows like Ray Donovan, True Detective and others being done in a manner that breaks out of the dead, old tired Hollywood mode of storytelling and does so way in ways that "catch your attention."

Fictional shows like Sopranos, Breaking Bad and the rest are not documentaries---they are works of fiction so they are bound to not reflect reality--only their own internal reality. As far as what you said about The Sopranos---those raps about that show are only the opinions of some Italian groups and individuals, but that certainly was not the view of all Italians--I have Italian friends and family (by marriage) who all thought that The Sopranos was the best show ever!!!

When it comes to Breaking Bad--the exterior story of him being first being a sick teacher who starts cooking high quality meth and then becoming a big time drug kingpin type who meets a bad end--that is just the way that the producers told his story of one man starting out good--makes a bad choice then details how he went off the rails, so you missed the point of that show too--just like the story of Tony Soprano being a mobster was just the framework for telling his individual story as a very interesting but failed person.

For a new person here--with your bitching---this kind of seems familiar---dare I say you might be yet one more manifestation of our cowardly lion, AKA "THE TROLL" I am gonna watch you and if I see you spew some more bullshit---I am gonna put you on ignore pretty damn fast!! If you are "legit"---starting out the gate with "bitching posts" on here like you did--won't gain you too many friends and it's one helluva way to start your time on here.

PS--I did go take a look at the posts that "Sarduzzo" has put up--from their tone and content---I am very sure this person is the latest face of The Troll--so I have already put this person on IGNORE. If you put people in that status--I might suggest doing the same so you don't waste any mental energy on this "person" and even if you don't put people on IGNORE, don't feed this person and respond to what "he" says. If the pattern holds true to form---this "person" will start saying stuff before long that will result in Drew banning him anyhow.

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

CLICK. Asshole B gone...lol

[12voltyV2.0]

Looks like we have another troll---even though I shouldn't respond--the views expressed in Sardu's post--are merely those of some Italian-Americans--clearly not all---most of those who created and worked on The Sopranos from the production of it, David Chase who created the show is of part Italian heritage, those who wrote the scripts and the actors who played most of the roles in the show---are Italian-Americans--and they did not feel this way. They thought it just fine--Martin Scorsese has taken flack for his movies about the Mafia like "Casino" as well as Francis Ford Coppola who did the three Godfather films and Mario Puzo who wrote the original Godfather books, but that criticism by some in the Italian-American community didn't stop them from making those landmark movies.

What this person said was his opinion----and just like a particular body part---everyone has one.

Sardu still missed the point of my putting The Sopranos as one of the best shows ever----within the context of its own fictional but close to reality world of the show---it was very well done and it did serve as a "game changing" "ground breaking" dramatic program.

The Wire was one bust ass show and no one says that it one hundred percent portrayed what life is like living in the urban areas of Baltimore, what it is like to be a cop, be a teacher or newspaper reporter in that city--but it did a damn good job in recreating "the real world" of life in Baltimore.

By Sardu's measure that a show has to be somehow totally representational reality and presents every aspect of life "just so"--- and if a show does not meet his view of perfection then it should not be done. If that were the case, we would not have any works of literature, music, film, television or stage plays--because they are human activities and nothing that humans do is ever totally one hundred percent perfect or totally right on the mark.

Even though I don't agree with what Sardu said----at least he did engage somewhat reasonably which I guess is some progress.

[jem_is_bi]

Reality!! Tomorrow, it will snow again!! I am not happy with that reality show any more. How about something similar to reality that is enjoyable to watch? Yes! That may be the way to go. But, maybe I should be obsessed by how unreal it is and be pissed off that others are so happy they are only pissed off about the weather.

[FunE1]

Volty--

Have to agree, TRUE DETECTIVE is a really good series... but very dark.

If I can make a recommendation for those who enjoy series of this type: Try THE BRIDGE on HULUPlus. --The original Swedish/Danish version (called BROEN), NOT the American version that aired on (ummmmm...) FX (?) last year. Really intense, dark murder mystery/intrigue.

[Sar duzzo]

12Volty-Sono Italiano così geneticamente sto per essere sottile, la dieta sana, ottimi geni, e l'esercizio fisico sono cose buone troppo. Nei tuoi sogni, il tuo culo è ben grasso e brutto tuttavia, guardate il vostro corpo e chi siete entrambi sono brutti. Il tuo cazzo è piccolo. Che schifo! Tu sei una minchia, zoccola, e fancazzista. Il tuo commento e chi sei come persona mostra a tutti la tua ignoranza e l'odio non hanno limiti.

[Sar duzzo]

Volty who cares what your supposed Italian friends and family think. The Sopranos did show negative Italian and Italian American stereotypes and yes a lot of Italians and Italian Americans did not like the show. Nobody ever claimed that it was akin to a documentary but it did have really bad, offensive, and untrue stereotypes about Italians. There were Italian people and Italians Americans in the show who were not criminals but they were overshadowed by the criminal type characters. You're using the old "but some of my best friends/family are (insert ethnic group here)" excuse that nobody believes. Just because some Italians you claim to know that you now just invented out of thin air when confronted with your bigotry are OK with the bad stereotypes in the Sopranos does not mean that all of us are. It's akin to Volty claiming "I have black friends who are totally cool with me calling them a nigger, and watching Birth of a Nation and racist TV shows. As a very proud Italian American, I think all of this mafia-related crap in the media is offensive & refuse to watch it anymore. That said, Hollywood will continue to make gangster flicks because the idiots in the general public really do want to see them. They've succeeded in romanticizing criminal behavior over the years. There probably isn't much we can do to stop it...except... We're only about 17 million Italian descendents out of the US population of 316 million - about 5% of the total population. We have, in only about 100 years, gone from being absolutely vilified by average Americans, to the top of American society, across the board. Italian Americans occupy governorships, Senatorial & Congressional seats, mayor's offices, etc, all over the nation. We are CEOs of major corporations. We are on SCOTUS, in the CIA, and DHS. We have excelled in the arts, entertainment, music, sports, education, technology, fashion, architecture, engineering, finance, science, medicine, etc etc etc. We're both students & Professors at the nation's most prestigious universities. No time to list links here. Go to Wikipedia to find lists of famous Italian Americans. You'll be amazed by some of the names & how many of them there are. You want the achievement of the American Dream? We Italian Americans have it in spades. And we did it without affirmative action or any other special treatment. We're also the world's best lovers and romantics, and our people the Latin people have succeeded in everything we have ever done, and helped create many languages. So, most of us laugh at that mafia-related idiocy, because we know it is not "who we are". We just keep working hard, getting educated, moving up socially & economically and it's been this way for decades. We're doing JUST FINE. So, if you think we're all "The Godfather", "The Sopranos", "mob wives", or "Jersey Shore", feel free to continue that. While you're laughing, we'll be moving up the ladder & you'll be working for one of us, very soon. I never claimed that TV simply has to be true. It does not matter that Italian Americans wrote or worked on the Sopranos. They're just Italians full of self hate towards their own people and hate Italian/Italian-American cultures. The Sopranos resembles no truth when it comes to la famiglia at all, anymore than "The Wire" actually resembles reality in Baltimore MD, nor "Rome" showing what ancient Rome and the ancient Roman empire was actually like or "Boardwalk Empire" showing what Atlantic City before, during, and after prohibition was like. True Detective does not really show what Louisiana or working as a detective/LEO is really like either. HBO churns out shit TV shows like True Detective, the wire, and the Sopranos that people pay to watch. None of these shows are actually well written, directed, or filmed and none were original or bear any resemblance to reality at all.

[Sar duzzo]

Volty-At least there's a point to my posts, unlike the majority of the posts by people here including yourself. Face it YOU are not doing anything productive by posting on a sex, porn, and hook up site. Yes I am Italian. I don't care if you're going to be a total cazzo and claim I'm lying, or be an amateur armchair psychologist since you're an obese deeply closeted loser from flyover backward country (Ohio), who has not accomplished anything in life. You know nothing about me or the 100s of other people who post here who get branded as "trolls" by the very cliquey people here who get all bent out of shape over someone else's posts that don't sugarcoat anything. We lead happy and productive lives, are married/partnered, have wonderful sex lives, and are your neighbors, friends, co-workers, and people who you see about in your daily life. FYI Yes I am Italian and for the armchair psychologists who know nothing about me I lead a happy life with a bisexual male partner who I have been with for years.

[Realist]

Yep, IGNORE option is alive and well!

[void()]

True Detective does not really show what
Louisiana or working as a detective/LEO is really like either. HBO
churns out shit TV shows like True Detective, the wire, and the
Sopranos that people pay to watch. None of these shows are actually
well written, directed, or filmed and none were original or bear any
resemblance to reality at all.

That is nice dear. You are entitled to espouse your opinion. The
argument you present in it though, betrays itself. People pay to
watch the shows. They pay to be entertained. The shows are works of
fiction. Works of fiction serve only to entertain. That is sort of
the point of them. Sorry if that was too obvious.

If you do not like the shows? Do not pay, nor do not watch them. Pretty
damn simple solution for everyone involved, no? The OP in this case
was doing the same as you, posting an opinion regarding a fictional
television show. Do not like to read their opinion? Don't. Again,
simple solution.

Why do people, all people, find it pleasurable to argue over
opinion? They must as they continually do it. There is no point in
doing that. Argue over facts. Facts are there existing as proofs
and begging to be disproved. No, we'll go argue over bullshit
opinion, it's more fun to flick snot at each other.

* shrugs, shakes head * Silly.

[12voltyV2.0]

It looks like the troll really loves this new name--its like the third or so version of this name they have used---guess they had better find a new way to spell it--before long--Drew is sure to be deleting all entries done by this "person."

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It looks like the troll really loves this new name--its like the third or so version of this name they have used---guess they had better find a new way to spell it--before long--Drew is sure to be deleting all entries done by this "person."

This would be seen as a "bad" thing, how? *grins*

[lookn4fun64]

I ditto Void's comments. Such shows are purely entertainment for some, junk for others. Any bookstore or library is filled with the same. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.m