Random Crap...

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

Anybody else get a message from Misty Roses concerning Male Circumsision? (sp)
I got this whole big tired on it a minute ago......
Possible new Troll?
Confused Cat

[Gearbox]

Same one, different personality-ish.lol
You seen the film Cybil? Well I'm hoping that we'll eventually get a personality come through that can play the piano. That would be entertaining at least.:tongue:

[Long Duck Dong]

lol they spammed me last night too..... it looks like drew dealt with them...... I am glad he has left the circumcision thread open as the troll is attracted to that thread like a fly to horse shit

[12voltyV2.0]

If all this stuff from "the troll" is the work of one person and that person has been the same one who has been doing this for many years now----you really have to say----that person is one sick so and so----just for spending so much time and energy to be such a pain in our collective rump around here.

That person---surely doesn't have much of a life beyond the internet!

Drew or his tech guys sure were busy getting rid of the signs of the most current trolling personality--thankfully. I knew that that one guy had to be a or the troll, a "normal" person just doesn't go and post up things like that right out of the gate as some of the first things you do when you come to a new site---and a lot of the things that he was bitching about-----are some of the same things that a troll or the trolls have harped on in the past.

[Newly_Bi]

Yeah I got those PM's as well.

[jem_is_bi]

Same one, different personality-ish.lol
You seen the film Cybil? Well I'm hoping that we'll eventually get a personality come through that can play the piano. That would be entertaining at least.:tongue:

I do not like the piano so much. I like the drums better.

[joavi]

I already got my dick cut so :) didn't get any of that

[void()]

*sticks on warning label* "Warning! This is just opinion."

A great deal of it seems rather scripted to me. Take that for what
it's worth. My thought is someone involved in maintaining the site,
'maintains' the site by introducing alleged 'trolls'. Then diligently
loosing the valiant band heroes & heroines.

How else to ensure a "sticky" web site's "stickiness"? After a while I
am sure we all get fairly talked out about whatever subject matter. It
happens as natural course of humans, we flap our gums on something until
there's really not much more left to say if anything.

That noted a site needs a continual draw. Conflict or change stirs up
drama, drama sells most forms of media. And since the site now has
paying memberships, clearly such a case could be speculated to exist.

The site is an income source, for someone. I would think anyone with
such an investment would do what they were capable of to ensure further
or continued income from it. Of course, I might be rolling random crap
too.

Or, I'm being non-sequitor again maybe.

[Gearbox]

I do not like the piano so much. I like the drums better.
There's probably a 'drummer in a rock band' persona in there somewhere.:bigrin:

[Gearbox]

Or, I'm being non-sequitur again maybe.
We all need a conspiracy theory now and again.YAY!

[darkeyes]

There's probably a 'drummer in a rock band' persona in there somewhere.:bigrin:
Much prefer me guitar, luffly man.. tho luff me fiddle an all.. do like a luffly fiddle wiv the rite bits on rite person... not even averse to rite person having wee fi.. no no.. getting rude now:yikes2:... :cutelaugh

[void()]

We all need a conspiracy theory now and again.YAY!

LOL Or maybe it's not. A conspiracy is just something secret between two people.
Not saying Drew is doing anything such as this. Am saying it might be something
user/s consider.

Only seems logical to me if it's a revenue generating site, something is done
to keep it generating revenue, else why continue hosting and fooling with the
site? Drew did say he was encouraged to have the site generating revenue or
income. Okay, so I would figure doing that would be a factor in the site.

Wouldn't subtle flashes of interpersonal drama seem apt to spark interest?
Sure sex sells, but change, conflict, drama do as well. Once you get interested
users, then hook them as paying users. "Wash, rinse, repeat ..." Seems
a fairly simple and routine formula to continue revenue.

But I don't hold an MBA, or any fancy university loo paper. I may be percieving
things really wacky. What I said was it looks really scripted. That may be exactly
what it is. It may not be. I'm not saying for sure because I'm not Drew, nor am I
privy to any of the "behind the scenes" work on the site. I know a little from just
basic looking. Rather not look too hard though, not my site, Drew's site.

[Gearbox]

Much prefer me guitar, luffly man.. tho luff me fiddle an all.. do like a luffly fiddle wiv the rite bits on rite person... not even averse to rite person having wee fi.. no no.. getting rude now:yikes2:... :cutelaugh
Now here's a lady who knows a thing or two about 'grassy knolls', perhaps a little more than she needs to?:rolleyes: It wasn't quite clear if the CIA was using sexual innuendo's to describe the Kennedy assassination, or not....so the juries still out there Fran!lol
Any tips on tuning an acoustic guitar btw? Told you I'd shame myself didn't I.lol

[Gearbox]

LOL Or maybe it's not. A conspiracy is just something secret between two people.
Not saying Drew is doing anything such as this. Am saying it might be something
user/s consider.

Only seems logical to me if it's a revenue generating site, something is done
to keep it generating revenue, else why continue hosting and fooling with the
site? Drew did say he was encouraged to have the site generating revenue or
income. Okay, so I would figure doing that would be a factor in the site.

Wouldn't subtle flashes of interpersonal drama seem apt to spark interest?
Sure sex sells, but change, conflict, drama do as well. Once you get interested
users, then hook them as paying users. "Wash, rinse, repeat ..." Seems
a fairly simple and routine formula to continue revenue.

But I don't hold an MBA, or any fancy university loo paper. I may be percieving
things really wacky. What I said was it looks really scripted. That may be exactly
what it is. It may not be. I'm not saying for sure because I'm not Drew, nor am I
privy to any of the "behind the scenes" work on the site. I know a little from just
basic looking. Rather not look too hard though, not my site, Drew's site.
I'd love to post pics of the adverts on some hookup sites, but I don't think Drew would be too happy about it.lol Some would make me blush if I hadn't lost that ability to years ago. But they def got the shock/drama about them though and get MY attention every time. I'd love to know who that stunning nymphomaniac harlot is who apparently lives near to me and is desperate for any old fella to 'do her a good un'.:bounce: Or those top model Russian and Taiwan ladies who are determined to meet a man of my age and do all kinds of things to stay in the UK. God, I'd put them up for a few months if they didn't mind sharing a bed....which they apparently don't.;)
Oh the cat fights....the drama...the breaking of backs....my back.lol

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

Hey Fran? Wana fiddle around a little? *Wiggling eyebrows lecherously* lol. Yaaayy! My first female flirting of the year! lol
Muahs, my friend..:}
Cat being silly..

[DuckiesDarling]

I feel left out.. they didn't both pming me with this incarnation....oh well there's always "next" time.

[darkeyes]

Hey Fran? Wana fiddle around a little? *Wiggling eyebrows lecherously* lol. Yaaayy! My first female flirting of the year! lol
Muahs, my friend..:}
Cat being silly..
Cat:yikes2:!!! Am shocked atcha:eek2:.. no I don't wanna fiddle around a lickle.... wud much ratha fiddle around a lot:tongue:!!!!:love87:

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

And for the record, there arent many from the Pacific Northwest. Like I told you via my mail..the last one claimed to be from Flagstaff Arizona...Trolls and assholes are Everywhere, and on all sites. This one just seems to love This site. Until you confront him, then he runs. Typical bully. No Biggie..:} And thanks for the input.
Cat

[Annika L]

Friggin' finally, I'm in the club! I kept pining away, watching y'all get these ridiculous circumcision adverts, and I just felt soooo unloved. But Jasmine was sweet enough to initiate me.

Cat, Fran, Gear, Volty, do we have a secret sign or hug or something that I need to learn?

Jasmine, I'm curious...do the trolls carry ID cards, and have a secret handshake they use to identify one another? Are there annual conventions, or do they operate in autonomous cells? And y'know all, where there are thousands of trolls, there must be *millions* of orcs! *eep!!*

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

LOL I dunno Annika. Would you Like a secret hug? Snickering grin. And I stand corrected: I Have shamelessly flirted with a couple of you ladies recently. You, Fran, Vitt, and DD.. :} Anybody else that I missed, ya'll let me know..LOL
Silly Cat.

[darkeyes]

Friggin' finally, I'm in the club! I kept pining away, watching y'all get these ridiculous circumcision adverts, and I just felt soooo unloved. But Jasmine was sweet enough to initiate me.

Cat, Fran, Gear, Volty, do we have a secret sign or hug or something that I need to learn?

Jasmine, I'm curious...do the trolls carry ID cards, and have a secret handshake they use to identify one another? Are there annual conventions, or do they operate in autonomous cells? And y'know all, where there are thousands of trolls, there must be *millions* of orcs! *eep!!*

:yikes2: in t' club hey? I kno wotya mean... I been messaged an all just tonite as it happens... worra dimwit!!! No, not u Annika, babes...but b warned and careful wot u say cos on this side of the pond... being in t' club means being up duff;)!

No, Annika.. we don't have secret sign or owt.. dimwits just enjoy trying to annoy the hell out of nice peeps... and in general trollies dont need secret sign eitha cos for most are 1 and the same person on this site at least as we all kno... or really so few as it dusn't make ne difference.. just sit and enjoy them being dim and looking arsewipes cos ther trollism dusnt work on me or thee for that matta..... if they believe haff the crap they spout, they shud realise they dont do ther cause ne favours wotsoeva! Course wen it cums to snipping lickle babbas willie as an example, he/she/they/it, on th9s site at least, appear to have much the same opinions as mesel... so it's my side wich is suffering kind off.. or the rights of the child if u prefer.. wich I do... but not really. cos I look on it like this.. sumwer ther is/r sum dimwit(s??) arguing the otha point of view and making the other side's argument look just as stupid... so it all irons itself out and am easy wiv them being fools...

Smile Annika, babes... b happy and enjoy them making complete tosspots of themselves.. I do:)..

[DuckiesDarling]

Yep, I spoke too soon. Jasmine88 left me a nice little gem. Aww, fuck it... Cat we need another campfire thread.

[semibi]

I got the circumcision email from Jasmine88 today. I am new to the whole troll discussion. Not even sure what it means. But, I did think the email was strange, given I have not commented on circumcision anyplace on this site. Delete.

[Long Duck Dong]

the troll has a fetish for the site.... they create multiple accounts just so they can be insulting and rude.... and most people just ignore them......

the circumcision thread is a oft used thread by the trolls and it sounds like they want you and others to post in the thread so the troll has a reason to keep posting otherwise they will just post in any old thread they can find and be insulting..... I have heard rumours that its like a troll viagra or aphrodisiac that the troll uses before they have a night of passionately humping their edward cullen pillow lol

there is a thread here on how to ignore the trolls using the site settings and yes, some members troll ignore lists are rather extensive.....

[Dog62]

Actually there are tons of trolls from the pacific Northwest. You're one of them.That's funny since Cherokee Mountaincat never sent me any bullshit pm messages like the garbage you sent me. I, for one, will be glad when Drew bans your spam sending ass.

[void()]

Friggin' finally, I'm in the club! I kept pining away, watching y'all get these ridiculous circumcision adverts, and I just felt soooo unloved. But Jasmine was sweet enough to initiate me.

Cat, Fran, Gear, Volty, do we have a secret sign or hug or something that I need to learn?

Jasmine, I'm curious...do the trolls carry ID cards, and have a secret handshake they use to identify one another? Are there annual conventions, or do they operate in autonomous cells? And y'know all, where there are thousands of trolls, there must be *millions* of orcs! *eep!!*

I too was initiated, yet again. I replied with blunt fuck off, bye. *click*
Was a little too late because a retaliatory message showed up.
I replied again with a blunt fuck off, bye. See no point for much
further. Especially when I think it's all a droll script.

[csrakate]

Sigh....this is getting so tiresome and it simply reinforces my resolve to spend less time on this site. I'm beginning to think that Drew doesn't mind these "visits" from this idiot. I just don't understand how they can continue to return and bombard us with their nonsense in the forums as well as our private messages.

[Newly_Bi]

Can we get Drew to ban this new troll (jasmine88) as well? No one asked for your pm's troll

[void()]

Interesting yet again ... :)

[void()]

Sigh....this is getting so tiresome and it simply reinforces my resolve to spend less time on this site. I'm beginning to think that Drew doesn't mind these "visits" from this idiot. I just don't understand how they can continue to return and bombard us with their nonsense in the forums as well as our private messages.

I have floated an idea that maybe Drew allows trolls, in effort to continue revenue
generation. I also think such a ploy would be highly susceptible to backfiring. Further,
Drew has often presented himself as intelligent. Meaning I doubt he would employ such
a ruse as he could deduce its backfiring. Although, I may be in error either way.

Am just ignoring them. Not here enough as it is. Grew tired of similar activities
long ago. So, ignoring the idiots seems to work. If need be I can email a person
from here privately, off site. Would phone him but he has restrictions on his phone
and understandable restrictions, as do I. See a few others off site as well. Not
too much bother to not visit the site.

Still, as I explained to tenni, I often get bored. Oddly I have never once considered
trolling. A heated debate at times maybe, sure. Trolling, sock puppets ... not my
thing. Hate isn't either save for some whom justifiably deserve at least dislike.
Even those are few and far between.

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

I agree DD. Its been a while, hasnt it? That last one was fun..:} Either the campfire, or a weekend in Vegas..lol. Pssst, hey Dog? Want me ta sends ya an obscene email? I can if ya like....(Snicker, wink, wink)

Dont leave us, Miss Kate. :( We've battled Trolls and assholes before and came out victorious..:} Remember Tich?
Actually, I just Clicked both Jasmine And Misty Roses. Too bad they werent smart enough to not send the same message from two different folks. *Rolling eyes*
Cat, dreaming of a Campout scenerio,,:}

[**Peg**]

Anybody else get a message from Misty Roses concerning Male Circumsision? (sp)
I got this whole big tired on it a minute ago......
Possible new Troll?
Confused Cat


yes and yes and one from Jasmine88 I think the name was

[**Peg**]

... Anybody else that I missed, ya'll let me know..LOL
Silly Cat.


*arched eyebrow*

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

.. Anybody else that I missed, ya'll let me know..LOL
Silly Cat.




*arched eyebrow*

Waahhht?? You Know I'm a shameless flirt, Miss Peg..:bigrin:
Yer Cat.

[Realist]

I got two.......one yesterday, one today.

Didn't respond, just put IT on ignore.

[void()]

Thought it appropriate ...


http://youtu.be/vYyx3CBSO_0

[mikeyd270]

Yes, I deleted it.

[**Peg**]

.. Anybody else that I missed, ya'll let me know..LOL
Silly Cat.

*arched eyebrow*

Waahhht?? You Know I'm a shameless flirt, Miss Peg..:bigrin:
Yer Cat.

errr.... the eyebrow was arched because you missed me. LOL YOU !!

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

But, but, I didnt get Permission ta flirt wif you! (But will if you and hubby dont mind) lol ;)
Cat being silly. :}

[pepperjack]

And for the record, there arent many from the Pacific Northwest. Like I told you via my mail..the last one claimed to be from Flagstaff Arizona...Trolls and assholes are Everywhere, and on all sites. This one just seems to love This site. Until you confront him, then he runs. Typical bully. No Biggie..:} And thanks for the input.
Cat

Exactly! I got one of his pms; loser is too cowardly to deal with a response.

[onewhocares]

Well as a member of nearly nine years, I hardly think that Drew allows trolls to stir up business. He has in fact demonstrated his resolve to eliminate these pests in short order. It is up to us the general populace to ignore the trolls. I know it is hard to not respond, but it just feeds them.

In commenting to Kate, I do wish you would stay, I enjoy your perspective. I will add however that I miss the old site. It was much more interesting and enlightening. Not like much of the lude egotistical smut many of the threads encompass.

Belle in Boston

[**Peg**]

.... Not like much of the lude egotistical smut many of the threads encompass. Belle in Boston


so true, Drew HAS been on top of things, even through the Christmas season! and, I have to admit I miss the old //11 and //2 the most, especially that shocked face (always made me smile).

and yes, Belle the stuff posted by the lewd, crude, rude dudes (usually) leaves most of us cold, that's why Cat and I have been bumping the two threads to page one, so that newbies know how to put them on iggy.

good to see you again, Belle :oh: ... btw is the big dig done yet?

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

*Winks@Peg and Miss Belle* We'll get em whupped into shape, Ladies. I have no prob in helping the Newbie's in eradicating the troll(s). And no that my hours have been cut at work, I may be able to pop in here more often. None of us should have to endure this non-sense, especially new folks coming in for their very first time. They are here to learn about what is going on inside of themselves, to some its a safe haven where they can feel free to just Be. Last thing they need is some butt-head spouting un-couthed rubbish, and running people down like some kind of little kid bully. Hopefully, we "Veteran" members (Sticking tongue lovingly out at Peg) can help to make this site fun again. :}
Hugs All..:}
Yer Cat.

[ghost_of_bluebiyou]

LOL
Circumcision has proved to be one of the hottest topics.
And I am probably the foremost authority regarding (and against) same.
No, I don't think Drew is 'succumbing' to popularity yaz.
Else, I would not have been banned years ago.
Controversy = advertisement
In the commercial world, yes.
In our world (bisexual.com)... I only hope to change the future for good of those in the future.
Do I, as one of the leading (if not the leading) anti circumcision abolitionists think Drew is... inducing fervor?
Absolutely not. I have no recollection of ever hearing from Drew, except maybe 7 years ago... HI, welcome to the site... blah, blah, blah.
I was banned for my passionately anti circumcision stance... when it finally turned into my flaming the opponent (as banned by the rules).
But I was agitated at the time (for 7 years) by a psychopath coworker who was trying to kill me (not to mention security forces of a branch of DD). Aided somewhat by the most legally corrupt defense contractor, their management, and ethics board [entirely] in recent history (yes, I included the world wide ethics board, individually, all of them in my emails, in my company complaint). (Ask John McCain for his opinion as to what defense contractor it might be).
I think the usage of a taser on my truck electrical system and the placement of the steel rod were the work of DD security forces. It all happened in their parking lot... blocks from my workplace After all... when military retires... who will hire them? Yeah, it's that bad.
Defense contractors don't like secrets... or allow public knowledge of bad things happening in their workplaces... HUSH HUSH! Bad publicity!
Wow, I'm glad that's over... I just hope the poisoning I received at work in 2004 won't end up giving me cancer. I hope it was just a roofie or knock out drug spread through my lunch that made me go temporarily blind for 40 minutes, and then 20 minutes blind a day later, not some complex pesticide... although the psychopath's brother was into very high security usa shit... even out current doctor doesn't have any answers for our current problems... he just doesn't know.

There's no telling. I've been gone from that for over two years now, thankfully. All the many flat tires at work, all the shorted electrical systems of my truck at work, all the steel rods placed under my driver seat meant to impale me, all the bolts loosened on my brakes, all the bolts loosened on my rear axle of my motorcycle, and the master link clip being jimmied on the chain of my motorcycle... leaving out the veiled threats... My life is (relatively) peaceful now for two years. Just wife complaining (normal shit! not even flat tires anymore)
But as far as local drama...

Drew?
Really?
I haven't seen anything.

Conspiracy theorists, unite and go for it! But I think on this board, I'd be a prime target of such knowledge of Drew encouraging or recruiting controversy for the sake of advertisement/promotion.
Lord have mercy, I've seen real conspiracy, company management and ethics board collude for felonies, but if any such thing exists here, it doesn't involve Drew. Be real.

[jem_is_bi]

Those that irritate come and go in cycles and the level of irritation cycles as well. I never get excited about their antics. I never do the ignore thing. Sometimes I am fascinated, sometimes amused, sometimes offended, sometimes irritated and respond accordingly. Drew keeps it under control. I only hate and avoid boredom and lack of purpose.

[void()]

But as far as local drama...

Drew?
Really?
I haven't seen anything.

Conspiracy theorists, unite and go for it! But I think on this board, I'd be a prime target of such knowledge of Drew encouraging or recruiting controversy for the sake of advertisement/promotion.
Lord have mercy, I've seen real conspiracy, company management and ethics board collude for felonies, but if any such thing exists here, it doesn't involve Drew. Be real.


Believe I was being real. If you would have read and comprehended it,
this thought was just that, a thought. It is still a thought I maintain
may be proven out one way or another.

My point is that I did not see where it could be unthinkable this would
be done. That is to say there are often reports of what are called
"sticky" sites, or ones that encourage users to return frequently, doing
such things. And driving revenue is often the heart of the issue.

I am sure we can both agree that if you have something set up as a
business, you would desire that business to profit, no? If that business
is a website for both paying and free users, you would desire more
paying users then following that logic, no? But paying users want
something in return for their cash, normally, do they not?

Drew runs other adult sites which are wholly for profit. I know this,
everyone here probably does. He advertises at least one such site here
on every page here. He decided though or was rather decided for him that
such fleeting revenue was not enough, so, he set up to take on paid
members.

That is what the Bisexual.com fan club is, paid membership here. Free
members get nearly the same perks. Granted we don't get exactly the same
but by in large we can manage with, or without the "extras". That again
is part of each user taking personal responsibility. Paid users want more
from Drew than free members, such is normally the case. If a free user
wants more Drew can always suggest paid membership.

What product then does this site sell, that it has paid members?
As far as I see the only product is a sense of community in a
web based forum, some chat rooms. Paid membership is listed at
http://www.bisexual.com/forum/membership.php , which gives the extra
perks for those whom pay.

Paid members get more storage space for messages. I can have more space
too. It means I take responsibility, delete extra messages which hold no
further value. Okay, not much of a problem there.

Paid members can make and password protect private chats. I can do
similar using most major internet messaging software, off site if
I chose to do so. No real big loss either. As an added bonus, the
messaging software is normally free, I can select whom I talk to or
don't. Again, back to personal responsibility.

Video chat is granted to paid members. Again, see most freely available
internet messaging software. No loss to free users whom desire video
chat. I can suggest Pidgin instant messaging, it is available for most
operating systems, is open source, supposedly supports voice, video
chat. I don't use either out of preference but hear from others it does
well enough.

A limit is imposed on profile images, both ways. Well, again most
instant messaging software offer file transferring capabilities. If that
seems too far of a stretch users can use email, which again is offered
freely on the web, and there are cloud storage options offered freely
too. You could upload a full gallery of pictures, email a friend a link
after meeting up on here and exchanging email addresses. You might even
private message the link here on the site's messaging if that is too
intimate right away. So, no great loss for free users.

Group blogs and custom blogs? Again the web has a plethora of free blog
hosts. No need to use the blogs here if you choose not. Tagging other
people's blogs? Why not stick to using Facebook? It is free.

Post throttling and overriding message limits. Well, that is up to the
owner of the site obviously. And hey, he has decided to charge for that.
I would likely as well. You would be using my bandwidth after all.

Recognition. Yes, recognition, users can feel special for paying to use
a site I have demonstrated several free alternatives to. Aside from the
obvious "duh" coming up, I see this as going back to pissing wars. Such
was evidenced in tenni recently attempting to shame me for being a free
user of the site. I had to laugh, wholeheartedly even. He gets to feel
like a special sucker.

Apologies if the truth hurts. And as to being real? Think I am plenty
real enough thanks. I used to think I didn't pay to use the site because
I am too poor, I see now it is because I chose personal responsibility,
chose to exercise intellect over band wagon mentality. Seems patently
real enough for most I know. Guess it is all in how you define real,
though.

As I said, it was an idea I thought about. To me it seems Drew has
little on offer for paid members. Selling drama can work. Look at a
daytime soap operas for example, then at all the products they promote.
See, not too far of a stretch to think, is it? Or, maybe it is.
*shrugs*

[void()]

Believe I was being real. If you would have read and comprehended it,
this thought was just that, a thought. It is still a thought I maintain
may be proven out one way or another.

--8<--

Short version:

It was simply an idea I expressed which to me seemed rather logical. I
am not saying Drew is, or is not allowing trolls, is, or is not allowing
for sock puppets. I am not saying either way.

What I am saying is, it seems rather well scripted enough, it seems
to merit thought such might be happening. One thing which to me seems
rather "telling" is how adamantly some users of nine years or more,
defend. It is only an idea, thought, expression of a thought.

I have been around seven, maybe eight years. Pains me to consider such a
thought in a way. But it is still a thought which is thought. Apparently
I observe something which persuades me to think such a thing.

But none of the "elder" users here are asking what I observe. They are
simply going to a reaction of "circling the wagons". Well, if such was
not the case then what would such "elder" members need to encircle? Old
adage of common sense, "where there is smoke, there is fire."

Could it be maybe some of the elders themselves are party to such a
notion? I am not going to say either way again. I do not know. I do
not really care to know. It is just a thought, a possibility among an
infinite number of possibilities. And yes, anything is possible.

[tenni]

"Recognition. Yes, recognition, users can feel special for paying to use a site I have demonstrated several free alternatives to. Aside from the
obvious "duh" coming up, I see this as going back to pissing wars. Such was evidenced in tenni recently attempting to shame me for being a free user of the site. I had to laugh, wholeheartedly even. He gets to feel like a special sucker."

Shame? Really? Well, when I first read this quote, I was confused as I don't want to force you to feel shame. '

I do not use any of the perks of being a paid member other than the PM storage fact.

Then in reflection, let me state that I am a paid member as a symbol of support for the site as a place to discuss bisexual issues and help other bisexuals that may be struggling. I don't think that anyone should feel shame generally for not being a paid member..you may be new and unsure. If you are spouting off about conspiracy theories and the site should be this way or that way..then double hockey sticks (translates to fuck ;) ... YES…put your money where your mouth wanders..and pay . I think that it is less than $50 US or $60 Canuck for a year membership. That breaks down to $5 per month or $1.25 Canuck per week. (in US…gee even less) In my mind, right or wrong, stop being a cheap bastard or tone down your complaints about the site. ..well the ones that I agree with you ok..lol…(kid'n a wee bit) I don't mean to shame anyone if life is that tough but you are getting something free here that you seem to feel enough about to post and squawk. It must be my Canuck values of community and supporting each other beliefs but ya I'm fortunate to be able to pay $1.25 (Canuck) per week to support bisexual support and rights. Why are there so few who are also willing to pay such a small amount of money to support this site so that we don't fear trolls are here to force us to the paid site????

Do I think that a free member has the right to complain and ask for the site to maintain some standards? Yes, I do.(must be my Canuck socialistic ways..ya tax paying healthcare to have the majority support the minority..or in US Repuglian ..I'm a commie socialist..kidn' sorta)

Do I think that stating that drew is allowing trolls to get people to go to his paid site is correct thinking and posting? I would not do that myself. I would stop being a paid member if I find that it is not doing what I pay to support.

I would think that all the Libertarians and (US) Republicans (Canadian/ British) Conservatives who support bisexuality and bisexual rights/support would be lining up to pay to support this site? Then again, it is a Canadian site and maybe that is why the US Libertarians are refusing to be paid members???. I wonder if Drew can get a Canada Council grant to support the site? sadly no..unless it gets more artsie… With our neo con government nope they won't support a bisexual rights/support website either. Maybe the GLBT organization may support the site? (maybe it is not gay enough though…? lol) So, I pay..to support the site. US people (majority of posters) don't pay because??? (they are all too poor to pay $1.25 Canuck per week???)

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"Recognition. Yes, recognition, users can feel special for paying to use a site I have demonstrated several free alternatives to. Aside from the
obvious "duh" coming up, I see this as going back to pissing wars. Such was evidenced in tenni recently attempting to shame me for being a free user of the site. I had to laugh, wholeheartedly even. He gets to feel like a special sucker."

Shame? Really? Well, when I first read this quote, I was confused as I don't want to force you to feel shame. '

I do not use any of the perks of being a paid member other than the PM storage fact.

Then in reflection, let me state that I am a paid member as a symbol of support for the site as a place to discuss bisexual issues and help other bisexuals that may be struggling. I don't think that anyone should feel shame generally for not being a paid member..you may be new and unsure. If you are spouting off about conspiracy theories and the site should be this way or that way..then double hockey sticks (translates to fuck ;) ... YES…put your money where your mouth wanders..and pay . I think that it is less than $50 US or $60 Canuck for a year membership. That breaks down to $5 per month or $1.25 Canuck per week. (in US…gee even less) In my mind, right or wrong, stop being a cheap bastard or tone down your complaints about the site. ..well the ones that I agree with you ok..lol…(kid'n a wee bit) I don't mean to shame anyone if life is that tough but you are getting something free here that you seem to feel enough about to post and squawk. It must be my Canuck values of community and supporting each other beliefs but ya I'm fortunate to be able to pay $1.25 (Canuck) per week to support bisexual support and rights. Why are there so few who are also willing to pay such a small amount of money to support this site so that we don't fear trolls are here to force us to the paid site????

Do I think that a free member has the right to complain and ask for the site to maintain some standards? Yes, I do.

I think you need to re-evaluate whom is asking for site changes. I am
saying it is fine as is, and continue doing so. Then again, what can I
expect from someone whom blames others for their choice to click through
and look at material they rather not?

Especially when the links clearly indicate by simply reading their text,
what the context and subject tone will be. It is me saying to folks
like you whom want the site changed, "hey buddy take some personal
responsibility and realize if you click the link and look you have no
right to complain you didn't want to see it."

I mean really now, if you didn't want to see it, why did you click it?
The titles express what is going to be there. It's your choice to click
or not, paid member or free member no matter. If you click, you indicate
a choice to view. Okay, you viewed. You got nothing to complain about.
If you want to contribute to the thread do so, if not, don't.

It is a simple matter of personal choice and responsibility. That should
not be so difficult to understand as an adult, which I would presume you
are. Maybe I am presuming too much?

Again, I am not repeat not asking for the site to change. All you whom
seem content to blame others for your choices are doing that.

As to to my thought of Drew allowing for trolls, I have explained this
at least three times already. This thought came to me upon realizing
there was not much Drew offered on site which I could see warranted
paying to access. I explained that further in detail in my last posting.
I can use alternatives off the site just fine. Again, it comes back to
personal choice and responsibility.

So, my thought was that *to me at least* it seemed logical if Drew was
running this site as a revenue generating business, he would need a
product. See the *conflict* you are so desperately trying to engage in
here with me?

There is the product, the conflict and drama between "personalities" on
the site. And in my last posting I presented a prime example in day time
soap operas, I can also add any "reality" based television show. To me,
there seemed to be a lot of scripted exchanges. Sorry, but yes as a
human being, I observe things. I also report, or express my opinions on
what I observe.

Opinions are subjective thoughts. We all have them. We all think some
bits the same, some bits differently. My opinion that Drew may use
trolls is just that, an opinion. Big raging deal, huh? If you can agree
fine. If you disagree that's fine as well. I do not care either way. I
thought it something others may desire considering, given that drama on
the site seems to be the "product" on offer.

But I guess all of this is too much for some to digest. They keep
circling the wagons. How is it that such a thought, if it has no grounds
and is wholly folly, warrants such a need to defend against? To phrase
it more clearly, if my thought isn't true it could simply be said "hey
this isn't true." That would be all there would be.

But, I have counted no less than three different handles here speaking
out in refutation of my thought. I apply the logic of where there is
smoke, there is fire. Apparently, some folks think I may be on to
something, or else there would be no need for this one, that one, the
next one and so on to keep piling on refutations. The only one to
genuinely clarify would be Drew. Do I think he would if he was in fact
employing the drama as a product? No. And he has not as of yet. That to
me expresses a lot.

I may be incorrect and am willing to admit that. It is just an opinion,
a thought. Thoughts can change. Thoughts really are not so dangerous.

But then to some they may be. Sorry if my tossing of thoughts around
harms you. That was not my intentions. My intentions were to simply
offer thought/s to consider. Maybe though, I'll just refrain from
expressing thoughts here as it seems some have the mentality of children
and may run with sharp objects.

N.B. Apologies for the over emphasizing. Hopefully, in doing so my words are more readily understood.
Will not hold my breath though as past experience has revealed such hopes have dim chances.

[tenni]

Void
I am unclear as to what I posted (in response to you using my name) connects to a lot that you posted in post 49?


Whether I support the site changing to ? or reverting to ? is not connected to what I posted in post 48 as far as I can perceive. The point that you have created (more than once?) as to Drew permitting trolls to increase revenue on another site is though. You are entitled to your perspective. As a protest, you could leave (again) if you believe that your thought is true. If you do it dramatically enough you too may add to the drama of the site. If you leave quietly unannounced no one will know and you can come back again without being embarassed. Several have done this over the period since I’ve been on the site (2006).


I’ve been fooled before in my life but I do not see this as a rational premise (trolls to increased revenue). You do. Some/many? people from your country tend to relish “conspiracy” theories. I am curious why you were so supportive towards Top Fucker but I don’t think that you are the man behind his sock puppet...or should I see the conspiracy connection between Void and Top Fucker? hmm na....Void is not Top Fucker’s puppet.


Now, should I look foreward to seeing many more peeps becoming paid members because they support bisexuality and bisexual discussion/rights .(or conspiracy…tenni is really drew's puppet…ah after all drew is a Canuck..tenni is a Canuck..hell I bet Peg is a drew puppet(voice from Alabama can be heard..lol?) I just looked at the main page and notice a lot fewer “do you like” topics. Ya. Keep chatting about how you wish the site to be other than graphically gross images and yes I like cock and pussy…I like ....


Appoligies for not over emphasizing specific text. Appoligies if I have unintentionally offended anyone…sorry (Canuckism)

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Void
I am unclear as to what I posted (in response to you using my name) connects to a lot that you posted in post 49?


Whether I support the site changing to ? or reverting to ? is not connected to what I posted in post 48 as far as I can perceive. The point that you have created (more than once?) as to Drew permitting trolls to increase revenue on another site is though. You are entitled to your perspective. As a protest, you could leave (again) if you believe that your thought is true. If you do it dramatically enough you too may add to the drama of the site. If you leave quietly unannounced no one will know and you can come back again without being embarassed. Several have done this over the period since I’ve been on the site (2006).


I’ve been fooled before in my life but I do not see this as a rational premise (trolls to increased revenue). You do. Some/many? people from your country tend to relish “conspiracy” theories. I am curious why you were so supportive towards Top Fucker but I don’t think that you are the man behind his sock puppet...or should I see the conspiracy connection between Void and Top Fucker? hmm na....Void is not Top Fucker’s puppet.


Now, should I look foreward to seeing many more peeps becoming paid members because they support bisexuality and bisexual discussion/rights .(or conspiracy…tenni is really drew's puppet…ah after all drew is a Canuck..tenni is a Canuck..hell I bet Peg is a drew puppet(voice from Alabama can be heard..lol?) I just looked at the main page and notice a lot fewer “do you like” topics. Ya. Keep chatting about how you wish the site to be other than graphically gross images and yes I like cock and pussy…I like ....


Appoligies for not over emphasizing specific text. Appoligies if I have unintentionally offended anyone…sorry (Canuckism)


I am unclear as to what I posted (in response to you using my name)
connects to a lot that you posted in post 49?

It connects because you have been one whom seeks blaming others for
their own choices. You click through onto a thread after reading its
title. You make a choice to view that thread. The thread titles are very
descriptive. You even concurred as much recently.

I had commented that even text based web browsers showed a description
in the title link of a thread. You commented that you saw such
information upon hovering over a thread title link yourself. So, my
point remains sound. You clicked it and made a choice to view it.

Now, you are hoping on a bandwagon with daffyd about wanting the site
changed. You want a "dirty" part and a "clean" part as I gather from the
discussion in that thread.


Good points Daf

I'll come back to this thread but I agree with most that you have
written.

As far as smut showing on the front page I definitely agree that it
is inappropriate. Did Drew talk awhile back about getting credit card
use had a problem when the credit card company found the front page
inappropriate? Second pages no problem..lol?

Your sub forum idea will work as well. Large General Headings would be
visible and you can click to read the title of a thread under that sub
forum heading. i.e. Bisexual Questions about coming out, finding other
bisexuals, Bisexual Relationships(with other bisexuals, heterosexuals,
gays etc.) Bisexual Health and Welfare Bisexual Politics and Society
Debatable Subjects , Rants Sports and sexuality (athletes that are hot,
NHL games, Olympics etc.) Arts and Culture( music, visual art, movies
connected to bisexuality or other cultural issues) General Chat (what
doesn't fit into other categories) Personal Grooming (shave what?, body
piercings etc.) (maybe two sub groups under the Personal grooming ..male
personal grooming sub sub forum and a female personal grooming sub sub
heading?) Toys and other ideas for Bedroom fun Welcome Questions about
using the Site (blogs, main forum, groups what are they for?) Do you
like? (specific sex acts, places to visit, food, etc.) Raunchy as all
get out (you name it show it and chat dirty pictures and talk)

One flaw/issue may be that some may post under the 'wrong' heading.
Others may get upset. (Raunchy in General Chat)…might need some
moving of threads if placed in the wrong heading. Nothing is perfect
though..lol

That is from this url:
http://www.bisexual.com/forum/showthread.php?15501-SITE-FORUM-pls-can-we
-think-of-solutions-to-ALL-our-forum-needs-and-write-them-here&p=263625&
viewfull=1#post263625

And so I am not seeking to change the site. You although seem to desire
changing the site. You can be "unclear" all you want but that is how it
is relevant to your posting. Also I addressed yet again, that I had
expressed an opinion you chose to call up.

And I do recall placing a warning on my original post stating that
opinion that it was in fact just that, opinion. But you and others on
your happy to blame others for your choices bandwagon are
continuing to use that. Maybe you think it is weapon? Sorry. I
prefixed it with an opinion label, and have explained no fewer
than four times now, it was, is and remains an opinion.

So why keep trying to rehash it, when it is obvious to any whom read,
it's an opinion only. You can take it or leave it. Again, it resonates
with the core relevance of your posting, back on yourself as a matter of
personal choice, responsibility.

The site in my opinion is fine as is. You seem to desire otherwise. I
wonder why? Can you no longer discern words read? That may explain your
lack of clarity. I have written astutely clear. This whole episode if you
prefer calling it such, is on you and your choices.

As I said, be as unclear as you desire. I care not. No need for me to
leave the site, if there are still some aspects I enjoy, quietly or
otherwise. You are not effecting me. I think everyone can see more
clearly than you desire to be be seen.

N.B. I chose not to address the rest of your post to which this is reply.
Saw no need to dignify any of the bovine manure with response, aside from
this brief note saying, "..." and offering you a blank empty stare.

[ghost_of_bluebiyou]

I'm sorry VOID.
I did not mean to come off... so negative to you.
You're one of the folks I really like on this bbs (archaic term from dial-up era!).
It's my honest impression that many of my rants were tolerated because so many people in the places of influence on this site liked me and stood up for me, even when the worst of my behavior was dipping pretty bad.
I got several warnings, perhaps more than most (banned) got.
My Achilles heel is obviously circumcision. It drives me buggers to see folks stand up for the right to harm children.
And I can see your point... about profit, etc.
I hosted something called "GAY WORLD" several times on my PC early this century on a file sharing group "WINMX" or something... It was an ongoing forum with similarities to this site. As tech developed, so did the techie trolls. My computer was bombarded periodically (by crackers) and the forum would go down. Trolls appeared often. More frequent computer crashing as time progressed.
It became such a hassle that I gave up hosting.
I could easily understand Drew's growing... middle of the road with maintaining a bisexual site. It's a lot of work and expense, even as the intensity of your interest dwindles. So then there's cash. Yeah, cash is nice. It pays the bills. Once bisexual.com becomes big enough to pay more cash (and attention) than it requires, well then, it's okay.
But I don't think Drew has become a yellow journalism capitalist slut (I could be wrong).
The powers that "be" certainly are more tolerant on the hot topic of circumcision (after all it is one of the hottest topics as evidenced by number of views).
Again, I'm sorry if I've offended.


Blue

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I'm sorry VOID.
I did not mean to come off... so negative to you.
You're one of the folks I really like on this bbs (archaic term from dial-up era!).
It's my honest impression that many of my rants were tolerated because so many people in the places of influence on this site liked me and stood up for me, even when the worst of my behavior was dipping pretty bad.
I got several warnings, perhaps more than most (banned) got.
My Achilles heel is obviously circumcision. It drives me buggers to see folks stand up for the right to harm children.
And I can see your point... about profit, etc.
I hosted something called "GAY WORLD" several times on my PC early this century on a file sharing group "WINMX" or something... It was an ongoing forum with similarities to this site. As tech developed, so did the techie trolls. My computer was bombarded periodically (by crackers) and the forum would go down. Trolls appeared often. More frequent computer crashing as time progressed.
It became such a hassle that I gave up hosting.
I could easily understand Drew's growing... middle of the road with maintaining a bisexual site. It's a lot of work and expense, even as the intensity of your interest dwindles. So then there's cash. Yeah, cash is nice. It pays the bills. Once bisexual.com becomes big enough to pay more cash (and attention) than it requires, well then, it's okay.
But I don't think Drew has become a yellow journalism capitalist slut (I could be wrong).
The powers that "be" certainly are more tolerant on the hot topic of circumcision (after all it is one of the hottest topics as evidenced by number of views).
Again, I'm sorry if I've offended.


Blue

Oh wow! Somebody here recalls bbses. Now I do feel ancient. *chuckles*

I took no offense from your words. Realize sometimes I do skirt the
edges too. Always run myself into trouble with myself though, am too
stubbornly honorable.

Hopefully, those in the know, know I'm not one do any serious "playing"
in regards to this site. Think they do. Pretty obvious if a notion
struck me, well ...

One thing I can assure upfront. If I were doing trolling here, no log of
it would be present. The contexts of the trolls would also not match as
they do.

As I told my wife's grandfather, if I desired growing "weed", nobody
would know. And honestly here, let me tell you, <sarcasm> I grow weed by
the hundred acre full.<sarcasm>

Tout le monde sait white trash n'a rien de mieux Ã* faire. ;) Non,
vous et moi sont très bien, autant que je sache, bleu. Nous sommes en
désaccord sur quelques façons de penser. Bon, grosse affaire. * rires
* Nous nous réunissons dans le milieu trop ainsi.


Les désaccords peuvent survenir et surviennent Ã* l'amiable. C'est ce
que signifie être une maturité adulte est environ, étant capable
d'être en désaccord sans être désagréable. Vous parmi tant d'autres
ici comprenez.

*hug*

De vraies personnes savent l'amour vaincra la haine. Et de vraies
personnes, ils font l'amour. L'irréel ne savent pas l'amour, tel est
leur pitié.