Long Duck Dong
Jul 26, 2012, 3:23 AM
ihttp://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/7354142/Parliament-to-vote-on-gay-marriage-bill
n NZ, ANY person has the right to a civil union but a compromise was reached over marriage, that it remains the * domain * of religion... and is a exclusive right of heterosexual couples....
yesturday the marriage amendment bill was drawn from the ballot box in parliament ( a maximum of 5 bills can be active at any given time ) so for the people in NZ, fighting for same sex marriage, its a blessing.... as it is the one aspect of the fight, we could NOT win.... basically it is like drawing the winning ticket in the lottery.....
as early as next month, the bill will be put up for the vote and that is crunch time as it is a conscience vote, not a party vote.... the difference being a conscience vote is a vote based around personal belief and opinion, it can be independent of what your party stands for.... a party vote is one that is supportive of your parties stance and so the vote is cast as yes or no, accordingly...
the marriage amendment bill DOESN'T remove the right to a civil union, it changes the rules of marriage, and so we would become a country that has two recognized forms of union, not one...
why two types of union ? what is wrong with one ?
the marriage laws in NZ are still restrictive.....and one of the criteria is the following vows have to be included when people are getting married
Each person must say they take the other person to be their lawful wedded wife / husband or words to that effect.....
the civil union doesn't require that......and that is something is that most important to people that have a different view, belief system, opinion, way of expressing their vows / oaths / pledges....
what still confuses people is the understanding of marriage vs civil union.... marriage is ( in NZ ) a christian style ceremony, marriage is still regarded as a christian union in the eyes of god, regardless of what belief or faith you are or belong to.....and many people in NZ actually have no interest in *compromising * their own beliefs and choices, by being joined using a religion based union steeped in principals that they do not share or believe in.....
hence why the civil union is a popular choice for many people.....
some of the Ideals behind marriage, were that the husband was the head of the household, the union was a vow said to each other and in the eyes of god, that a woman yields to the male, and that the wife becomes the * property * of the husband.....
there is no difference between marriage and civil union in NZ which is another thing that confuses people, as many people see marriage and the civil union as primary and secondary level unions, with marriage having more meaning and value........
as long as NZ continues to have marriage, it will continue to be regarded by law and government as christian marriage and so a ceremony that is christian in basis, regardless of belief and faith.....
people argue that others should just use the marriage ceremony and get over their issue with the origins of the marriage ceremony, which is a good point.... but that is like saying that a person should swear on the christian bible in a court of law when their faith is actually muslam or satanic etc.. or just don't swear on the bible at all....
we see the same fight all the time with the fight to keep christian based prayers being used in official places like parliament, and a refusal to drop it out of respect for all the people that are not religious / christian ( they are told simply not to say it ) but opposition to other faiths and belief prayers being said
its not about taking away rights that we fight for, but giving them to all people equally and we would being one of the first, if not the first country in the world to have the option of civil union and marriage as choices of union for all people... and ALSO the option to change a marriage to a civil union and vice versa, AFTER the ceremony.....
so wish us luck as we work to break thru the deadlock as the biggest obstacle is that we have to convince politicians that their belief that same sex couples should not have the right to be married, is a personal belief, and they were elected to run a country, not use their personal beliefs to deny others the right to be in a union.....and that the freedom from discrimination starts with them casting a vote that ends the discrimination against same sex couples...
n NZ, ANY person has the right to a civil union but a compromise was reached over marriage, that it remains the * domain * of religion... and is a exclusive right of heterosexual couples....
yesturday the marriage amendment bill was drawn from the ballot box in parliament ( a maximum of 5 bills can be active at any given time ) so for the people in NZ, fighting for same sex marriage, its a blessing.... as it is the one aspect of the fight, we could NOT win.... basically it is like drawing the winning ticket in the lottery.....
as early as next month, the bill will be put up for the vote and that is crunch time as it is a conscience vote, not a party vote.... the difference being a conscience vote is a vote based around personal belief and opinion, it can be independent of what your party stands for.... a party vote is one that is supportive of your parties stance and so the vote is cast as yes or no, accordingly...
the marriage amendment bill DOESN'T remove the right to a civil union, it changes the rules of marriage, and so we would become a country that has two recognized forms of union, not one...
why two types of union ? what is wrong with one ?
the marriage laws in NZ are still restrictive.....and one of the criteria is the following vows have to be included when people are getting married
Each person must say they take the other person to be their lawful wedded wife / husband or words to that effect.....
the civil union doesn't require that......and that is something is that most important to people that have a different view, belief system, opinion, way of expressing their vows / oaths / pledges....
what still confuses people is the understanding of marriage vs civil union.... marriage is ( in NZ ) a christian style ceremony, marriage is still regarded as a christian union in the eyes of god, regardless of what belief or faith you are or belong to.....and many people in NZ actually have no interest in *compromising * their own beliefs and choices, by being joined using a religion based union steeped in principals that they do not share or believe in.....
hence why the civil union is a popular choice for many people.....
some of the Ideals behind marriage, were that the husband was the head of the household, the union was a vow said to each other and in the eyes of god, that a woman yields to the male, and that the wife becomes the * property * of the husband.....
there is no difference between marriage and civil union in NZ which is another thing that confuses people, as many people see marriage and the civil union as primary and secondary level unions, with marriage having more meaning and value........
as long as NZ continues to have marriage, it will continue to be regarded by law and government as christian marriage and so a ceremony that is christian in basis, regardless of belief and faith.....
people argue that others should just use the marriage ceremony and get over their issue with the origins of the marriage ceremony, which is a good point.... but that is like saying that a person should swear on the christian bible in a court of law when their faith is actually muslam or satanic etc.. or just don't swear on the bible at all....
we see the same fight all the time with the fight to keep christian based prayers being used in official places like parliament, and a refusal to drop it out of respect for all the people that are not religious / christian ( they are told simply not to say it ) but opposition to other faiths and belief prayers being said
its not about taking away rights that we fight for, but giving them to all people equally and we would being one of the first, if not the first country in the world to have the option of civil union and marriage as choices of union for all people... and ALSO the option to change a marriage to a civil union and vice versa, AFTER the ceremony.....
so wish us luck as we work to break thru the deadlock as the biggest obstacle is that we have to convince politicians that their belief that same sex couples should not have the right to be married, is a personal belief, and they were elected to run a country, not use their personal beliefs to deny others the right to be in a union.....and that the freedom from discrimination starts with them casting a vote that ends the discrimination against same sex couples...